Where to buy zima tomato seeds

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I know what you mean about the differences. I saved seed from some of the larger to me better ones, but have not grown them out. I sent some seeds to someone that loved them though - don't know about future generations. October 11, frogsleap farm. I grew six F2 plants from seed extracted from fruit labeled Zima.

All had excellent fruit quality. I'll take two lines to the F3 - I am optimistic. October 11, Deborah. And what does the F stand for? Proverbs Originally Posted by Deborah. October 12, Deborah. October 14, travis. Originally Posted by frogsleap farm. February 12, mayax I also saved seeds from the store bought tomato. The first year was wonderful. Saved seeds from that nd grew again. This time around, not so much succes, as tomatoes were very small in size. Savd again and grew the nex year, tiny fruit.

I will try growing agan frm fresh seeds this year, since the first grow out was a great success. February 12, Gardeneer. I have been buying this grape tomato at WM. It has good texture and old fashion tomato taste, well balanced.

It is grown right here in NC. I have saved seeds and am going to grow it. And its acidity of my sample was right at the lowest pH of all tomatoes, 4. Don't let this tomato fool you On the pH scale, it is a sour nectarine, compared to a Sungold, which is a moderate acidity, pH 4. Or Hillbilly an heirloom that can approach pH 5. In summary, this variety looks something like someone wanted a Sungold grape that could sit in a clamshell for three weeks stored as cool produce.

It is really a good job all things considered IMO. About that Hazera Grower agreement. Isn't this an invitation to us all ;- :. Neither the reselling of seeds nor the saving or selling, for seed purposes, of any harvested product, is allowed. User shall upon request also allow direct access to its administration.

Hazera is welcomed to come to sue my grocery store to inspect my tomatoes. That is likely a useless cross since the only goal would be to pass the tank gene to Sungold and screw up its flavor I can't transfer a thread here from elsewhere or I could get banned, so I cut and pasted the following which tells you exactly who bred it and it wasn't Hazara. Zima is a hybrid developed by Doug Heath while he was working at Monsanto.

He developed it from a very sweet orange cherry variety that is a true open pollinated line. Breeding into a grape shaped variety was primarily to reduce problems with splitting. IMO the sweet orange cherry is just a tad sweeter than Zima. Well, then it is from Doug's Seminis program and not Hazera's after all! I was having problems agreeing with the variety gourmetgardener thought, but elsewhere he provides some great background too.

The rest of my comments seem pretty much in line with this. Whoever the author was seems to know which the sweet orange cherry was yup, lots of them LOL to judge it being sweeter. But I'm not sure it was the round vs. Carolyn, why don't ask one of your friends if Monsanto didn't groom and support the principal grad student involved with Indigo Rose to replace Doug as tomato breeder there. Don't you think that would be a little gem of information to know ;- Nah, on second though, maybe I don't want to know!

He went through several iterations before getting the desired combination of flavor, sweetness, and shape. It has kind of the low acids like the first one I showed you, but double the sugar. Fusion, just a note of thanks for the suggestion which I'll do later this eve for sure and that I always appreciate your comments. I measured the pH in two ways for my product. Initially I ate these tomatoes and the dentin of two of my teeth hurt like a trip to the dentist's office.

It happened three times, each time I ate them. The last time I let them sit on top of the fridge about 3 days and the hurt was less. Laugh if you like, but my teeth specifically hurt with blueberries pH around 3. All apples except ripe red delicious make them hurt. Ripe red delicious pH 4. The second test was with a Universal indicator solution appropriately done. I test pH of other things every day, so this is no big deal.

It showed 4. But it was used on the overripe tomatoes less acid , beyond the optimal time to eat. Note, if you get 4. Some more, some less. Since my teeth still hurt enough ouch the pain. Above 4. Between the chemical indicator test and my teeth which hurt like a mac truck in my face, there 0 probability that these tomatoes are low acid.

That, is a joke! Now confounding effects are mine are Mexican grown. Picked sooner. Cooled longer Thanks again. I just had to clarify that since my complaint is not the brass shell casing these tomatoes have called skin I don't mind poppers, I like the niche but rather the aggresive acidity All the more reason to grow them. I bet I can get something along Doug's comments Breeding into a grape shaped variety was primarily to reduce problems with splitting It has a claimed pH: 4.

Claimed Brix is about The other grape tomato they say they are better than with the brix of 8? My Santa's were so much sweeter tasting. My mullings about this: Monsanto has hidden their corporate name from this tomato via long coded varieties and letting growers they sell it to use a trademark for it that is not Monsanto's. However they have explicitly patent protected this specific hybrid variety for GMO with the Bt gene and the RoundUp resistance gene ;-.

The patent has a lot of work into it, but despite their best efforts, it is significantly based on brix numbers vs. Santa that might be rigged. I can't say for sure, but their growers bombed out on the pH for my sample, so if I were Sunsetgrown, I would ask for my money back. It's a no brainer that sales are depressed because of this. Complaints of thick skin would be forgotton I think if it really delivered on the sweet taste balance claimed. What was the identity of the Orange Cherry?

Someone says it is an OP. If anything that may mislead. If I had to bet Sungold or Orange Santa. Back to practical things I think the worst that could happen is getting a recessive self-pruning determinate once in a while and loss of resistance to TMV.

I have no info on grower. But I would think that there were greenhouse grown. The Zima TM is not the Seminis variety name. They claim to be the first commercial greenhouse growers in north America However, this is a misrepresentation as the first commercial Greenhouse was built in the USA in George Washington even built a private one at his estate of Mt. Vernon right after the Revolution with the collaboration of Margaret Carrol and Thomas Jefferson after his cold and hungry experience in Valley Forge in It was the most advanced greenhouse of its time and huge and citrus was a favorite crop as well as other edibles and ornamentals.

Since yours were yellow and not tangerine orange colored I think it is a safe bet that these are two different varieties, but as you said previously, they could be related.

After surfing around a lot, Trader Joe's showed up as one of the first outlets for the tangerine orange colored grape shaped tomato which is marked as Zima TM by. I didn't find whether it is an exclusive grower deal between the two monster corporations in size of course , or whether it is being grown by others.

However calling something developed with the sweet orange grape hybrid tomato or anything else new from its breeding program an heirloom would be more phony than calling Sungold F1 an heirloom. So if we are to believe your Trader Joe's yellowish grape tomato is an heirloom by a reasonable, non-marketeer definition, it would need to be some of the original OP germplasm from Asia , pre, before grape shaped tomatoes became a commercial item.

There are some claimed heirloom cherry bunching tomatoes that are called grape tomatoes due to the way they cluster, but they are round. You probably bough the mini-heirloom clamshell from Trader Joe's, who is great at target marketing and avoiding criticism from forum moderators. Marketing claims for your specific product:.

Not really new, yet certainly au courant, heirloom tomatoes, by definition, have been around for years Heirloom tomato varieties differ from most commercial varieties in that they are grown from seeds that have been passed down from plant to plant over many years, not hybridized to highlight specific characteristics.

They also have fabulous names like Dr. Thai Grape? Maybe you grew a version of Dr. Kidding aside, Great plant seysonn Here's the rest of the Trader Joe's blurb on seysonn's tomatoes, after the part about the Dr. Carolyn tomato being the number one fabulous heirloom name:. Some are super sweet, some more tart So, how can I make some of these baby heirlooms?